Women & Money: The Shit We Don't Talk About!
Women & Money: The Shit We Don't Talk About!
Warning Signs and Red Flags of Financial Abuse with Jennifer Solarte
Many women don’t realize they’re in an abusive situation until they’re deep in it. The warning signs? The red flags? Jennifer Solarte has seen them firsthand, both in her own life and in the women she helps. She’s experienced all kinds of abuse, and now, she’s sharing her story and the key warning signs to watch for in this episode.
Jennifer is an author, entrepreneur, trauma life coach, reiki master, somatic practitioner, and speaker who is passionate about helping women live their best lives after trauma and abuse. She is the Founder of the nonprofit organization; &Rise, whose mission is to empower women to be the ultimate versions of themselves no matter their adversities.
She also shares that many women struggle with financial independence, which isn’t just about buying power (even though women hold 80% of it!) it's about freedom! Freedom from debt, freedom to rebuild, and freedom to create a secure future.
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Barb: [00:00:00] Were really looking forward to having Jennifer on our podcast today because she's coming to the financial discussion from a totally different purview. And hers is the fact that she has suffered not only physical abuse and sexual abuse, but also financial abuse in her relationships and in her family.
One thing she said was she was in such a toxic family that she thought that was almost normal, right? Until she realized by getting out of it and talking with other women, that wasn't normal. She's very brilliant in the way that she was able to do the hard work to overcome all of this abuse and start and rise, which is an organization that she's now helping other women get out of these abusive relationships and we talked With her about all the different kinds of abuse, but really focusing on the financial abuse and the red flags that show that you are in a [00:01:00] financially abusive relationship. That was so interesting.
Maggie: It was, and it's something I don't think we talk enough about on here, and it's something, so many of these red flags were just things that I could see women just being like, yeah well, and I know we even mentioned that, but It's so interesting to bring these things to light, to really talk about them and to have then Jennifer share her story about how she overcame all of this because it's no easy feat yet, she has overcome all these things and then turns back around, and
puts her helping hand down to help other women, come up and be where she is as well. Super impactful and super inspired.
Barb: So inspiring. Not only did she start this organization, helping other women who were in the same situation she was. But even after we got off the podcast, she then tells us that she's an investor in real estate and has made all of her money that way and has Airbnb. So we were like, wait a minute, maybe we stopped that recording too early because she's really blown it out of the water, came from like she said, nothing in a very toxic family abusive [00:02:00] relationship and did the hard work and moved on and is now a successful financial investor of real estate and started a non profit for other women.
Fantastic. These women are so inspiring.
Maggie: They really are. And they really make you feel like, wow, I can do anything no matter what situation I'm in. I'm glad she's bringing some of these topics to light so we can continue to talk about them so we can recognize them, when we see them in each other, just to make sure that we're all staying safe and protected and in the best relationships that we can be because we do want everyone to thrive and as we talk about in the show, the power of women is unreal.
And she shows that to you. And so if you're ready to get inspired, I think they're ready to tune in. I never thought something about abuse would be so inspirational.
Barb: The overcoming of abuse and her creating this go to resource for women in abuse, just like we're creating a go to resource for women in their finances. Women are, like I said, a safety net for one another. So let's get started and hear her story.
[00:03:00] Gloria Steinem once said, we will never solve the feminization of power until we solve the masculinity of wealth. Barbara Provost and Maggie Nielsen are the team at purse strings that will help you navigate the ins and outs of financial independence so that you can be financially fearless. This is women in money, the shit we don't talk about.
Maggie: We are so excited to dive into today's podcast, our guest is Jennifer Solarte. And so before we dive in, could you introduce yourself of who you are, what you do and just where you're located?
Jennifer: Sure. I'm Jennifer Solarte. I'm from Chicago, Illinois, and I am the founder and CEO of @RISE, which is a 501c3 nonprofit organization where our mission is to empower women and girls to be the ultimate versions of themselves no matter their adversities. And we provide free mental health services and wraparound support.
Maggie: And what does that mean? [00:04:00] Wraparound support.
Jennifer: So it's essentially services that are supporting so we have our mental health services, and then we have wraparound support, so we have financial education workshops, career development, so we help with resumes and mock interviewing skills, and then we do a ton of workshops that either help with Just advocating for women, advocating for themselves.
So we do like custody and protect, or child support workshops, order protection. And then we have our women empowerment events. We do a lot of Sambath and Reiki, and I'm into all the woo woo, all things healing. So we do a lot of different things for women and helping women in their healing journeys.
Barb: Jennifer, what brought you to starting this amazing organization?
Jennifer: Yeah, so I went to this event in 2018, I believe it was. And it was just realtors. I started becoming friends with a lot of realtors back then. And it was just a clothing, a gently used clothing swap. So I needed blazers. I didn't have any blazers back then. So I was like, I'll just go. And then I thought it was just going to be [00:05:00] a swap and you leave.
But then all the women started sitting in a circle together and then they all start talking about There are downfalls and they're triumphs and they're crying. And it was just like the most beautiful thing that I had ever been a part of. And I just felt so incredibly inspired being there. And I was like, I wanna do this.
I wanna tell people about my story and what I've been through and like how I overcame. And then it just started in my living room, just with a couple of girls that would come to the events. And then I absolutely felt even more in love with it. And I was like, I gotta figure out how to do this for like my job.
This is, I finally realized that's what I wanted to do with my life. And initially when I started Andrize, I wanted to work with women entrepreneurs and be a business coach and help people with their businesses. But then COVID happened and trauma and abuse was a freaking huge theme, at that time.
So that's how that all happened. I started doing trauma and abuse because it just kept coming up in our support groups. And then I realized that was what I was supposed to do with my life is working with survivors and things like that. And I'm a survivor myself. So it literally, I think it just fell into my [00:06:00] lap and a very pretty, I always say God put in a pretty little package and he said, here you go, figure it out.
Barb: Wow. Can you share a little bit about your story?
Jennifer: yeah, absolutely. So I am a survivor of childhood sexual abuse by my dad went through a lot of toxic relationships with, romantic partners as well as friendships and a lot of. Toxicity in my own family, like with very close family members and things like that. A lot of my story is me not really knowing that I had gone through any of that.
Cause, I, when you're in a dysfunctional setting for so long, when you're around other dysfunctional people, it all just seems normal. I didn't know the difference of toxicity and healthy relationships and any of that. Once I started and rise I was already on my healing journey before I started and rise but and rise forced me To get more into it because of the work I was doing and I had to like I was like I can't Be giving these ladies advice that I'm not even taking my own advice So I have done everything that I have done has been to like help The women that I work with, and I know that I can't be out here telling them what to do if I'm not doing it [00:07:00] either.
Cause I've also had not so great therapists. I've had some great ones, and I've had not so great ones. And you know the not so great ones aren't doing the work on themselves. And I was like, I don't ever want anybody to say Hey, I worked with this girl for a year, and she didn't do anything for me.
Yeah. So that's how it all came about. And a lot of the services that we offer are based on my personal story. Went through financial abuse, didn't even know that was a thing, and it took me years, a long portion of my life to get out of that debt that I was in, and just unlearning all the toxic things I learned about money, and there's just a lot of stuff there and rise has helped me heal so incredibly much, so that was something I wasn't expecting to get out of this, yeah, I absolutely love what I do.
Maggie: We appreciate you sharing your story and it's heartwarming to me that, when you get these women together in your house, it's a small community, we do really open up and we share our stories when we feel like we're in that safe space. It is so moving and you learn new things that, what is normal, what's not normal, that this is financial abuse or that, we shouldn't be treated that [00:08:00] way.
Just to kick off given your experience working with survivors of trauma and abuse, talk a little bit more about this intersection between financial abuse and emotional trauma in relationships.
Jennifer: Yeah. And that was another one I didn't know about either. It was emotional and verbal abuse, didn't know that was a thing. And then once I figured it out, I was like, Oh, I went through that too. And it was a really hard pill to swallow also when you're on your journey and now you're realizing, Oh, I've been through a lot of abuse.
It's really hard to like fathom, I guess that wow, I've been like this my whole life and I didn't even know it, part of, I would say the intersection between financial and emotional abuse, sometimes the financial stuff will happen before the emotional abuse, or sometimes the emotional abuse will happen before the financial stuff, but I feel like the reason that happens is, one it's a loss of control and independence for the victim, right?
At the end of the day, Abuse is always about power and control, that's it has to have those dynamics in order to be called like abusive. Then another thing too with the financial portion of it is isolation and dependence, right? like i'm [00:09:00] making you be completely dependent on me because i'm either not letting you work or i'm not even letting you spend your own money your own paycheck or there's a lot of different ways that people could be financially abused, but maybe I'm taking out a bunch of loans in your name or taking out credit cards and racking up a ton of debt in your name.
And now if the victim we're trying to escape, they can't because they don't have any credit or, they're just so much in debt. And then on top of that if you've ever been in debt, there's a lot of shame and humiliation that goes with it, being ashamed that you don't have money or the means to do things or to go even just get a burger or something, and that can cause
a lot of pressure, anxiety and stress and I do feel like these things are done to break down the survivor and just have them be 100 percent like dependent on their abuser and then the abuse can keep happening from that, and then there's a lot of other things that happen on top of the financial abuse, but I've been through that myself and I remember not just thinking, Oh, I'm just trying to help this guy get to the point where he's trying to get to, I'm doing the right thing.
I thought I was doing the right thing by being a good [00:10:00] partner and helping out with the money taking on more of the bills and stuff like that And now I realize like that wasn't it was in his own favor, Like he's the only one that won in that situation and I just got deeper and deeper into that as time went on. So yeah
Maggie: I feel financial abuses is really hard because sometimes you don't notice it until later or until you're in too deep and things like that. Do you have any like warning signs you've see right away? Very common tactics that start raising red flags for you.
Jennifer: Yes, and people always give me the side eye, but it's okay.
Maggie: No, we're here for it.
Barb: Yeah.
Jennifer: Be moving very fast. So many ladies where they meet somebody and they're like, he wants to get married. Oh my God. I'm like, I'm so special. And they probably are special. Don't get me wrong. But when people are moving very quickly, that is a huge red flag.
If you're gonna be here forever we're doing this, I'm your girl, you're my guy, what is the rush? Why do we have to get married in a week, or in a month, or why do we have to move in right away together? Why are we talking about our finances within, I think it's fine to [00:11:00] talk about those things, but within reason, right?
You don't want to tell somebody that you don't know that too much information. Especially some people are predators, and they will look for women. Specifically that are very nice and that, have good jobs and they have their stuff together in their leeches. They will leech off of you as much as they can, and they'll take you for everything that you got.
So I think that those are big ones. It's just like moving really fast. Asking questions about your finances or your personal things that if it's especially if it uncomfortable. Don't answer. You don't have to answer the questions, because why does it matter? Why does my finances have anything to do with like you and me?
You guys know what I mean. So it matters, especially in the beginning, it's a really big red flag. Also if, they're telling you straight off the bat. Hey, I don't have a lot of money or hey, I'm you know I'm in this bad position. I live at home with my parents, right?
That's a big one too that I hear a lot or I'm home taking care of my sick parent when really Their sick parents are letting them live with them
Barb: And but they'll make it seem like I'm the caretaker I'm doing this so those are always I'm like, are you sure that's true, [00:12:00] because I feel like every time somebody says that, it's like a red flag.
Jennifer: Not always. Sometimes people are there to take care of a sick parent, but I would say the majority of the time. Just things like that. If there's ever anything that just sticks out to you, you're like, that's odd. Listen to your gut. There's a reason that little thing came up for you thinking, thinking hey, that doesn't sound right.
It just didn't sit right with me. My stomach did something, my heart did something. And I always remind people like, we have to listen to those cues that our body gives us because sometimes our body knows before our mind can even process what's going on.
Maggie: Otherwise, our mind will just be like that's okay because he's such a nice, he's taking care of them. Everybody gets laid off now and then, like we're so nice. We can talk ourselves out of that where you're like that instant, there's so many of us, I know our mind is but
Jennifer: because we're good people and we see the good in others, we tend to be like, Oh it's probably we try to rationalize everything. It's probably because of this. There's probably because of that. Or, instead of doing that, just say, Hey, it is what it is.
I didn't feel comfortable with that comment or that was a red flag. And that seems funny and really [00:13:00] going with that trusting what you feel,
Barb: Yeah. Listening to your gut. You can't say enough times, listen to your, because people will say, I know when he said that I felt blah, blah, blah, I shouldn't have, but then you just ignore that gut feeling, right. And a friend said to me one time. What waves itself as a little red flag suddenly becomes a billboard, and you really need to pay attention to those little red flags or those feelings in your gut that something's not right.
Jennifer: Yeah, absolutely. And also I always, I preach that all the time and I'm like, that's also where your self love starts to come in because now you're trusting yourself. You're listening to the things that your body's saying, hey, and then you're like, oh, I do trust myself. Like I do know, but when you go through trauma and abuse, you stop doing those things.
Cause right. If I like a lot of survivors think if I were that smart, I wouldn't have been in this situation in the first place or he wouldn't have tricked me. So then we start losing that. Like that trusting in ourselves, but once we start to listen to the intuition and trust what the universe is telling us or where it's [00:14:00] guiding us, that's where the self love slowly starts to rebuild, and that's why I always tell everybody just follow your gut.
I promise. It's like it's steer you in the right way. That's your compass, your inner compass that, whatever you believe in God, the universe, whatever it is, it's trying to guide you to goodness and to light,
Maggie: I love that. It's, yeah.
Barb: It's about taking pause, right? And thinking, Wait a minute, I'm making a decision here that could go one way or the other. So being really conscious about that. Interesting.
Maggie: And how can financial abuse specifically impact a woman's ability to heal from domestic violence or other forms of abuse?
Jennifer: Yeah. Trapping the victim can make them feel isolated. A lot of the times we feel like nobody would get it if I told them. They would think that I'm an idiot or they would think all these things about me. We just start spiraling in our heads. And then it also it starts to erode our own self esteem, which then, like what I just said, right?
When it when you're going through that, it doesn't really allow you to trust yourself, right? You start to question everything, especially when you're In an [00:15:00] emotionally abusive relationship and maybe they're gaslighting you a lot and making you think you're crazy. Then you're questioning, am I crazy?
Is something wrong with me? That's what happened to me. My abuser would always tell me that I was crazy and like, Why are you like this? And then there was a point in time where I was starting to think man, I must be really bad because I can never do anything to please this person. I'm always doing something wrong.
We're always fighting. So it has to be me because what else could it have been, and then another thing that I would say too is you can't escape even if you decided, okay, I don't want to be with this person anymore, but now I can't because I have no money, or they took all my money, or now they'll know that I'm trying to escape if I spend the money, or whatever the case is, so it can like just add more fear and anxiety to you and then obviously there's like the long term impact, right?
So like they could ruin your credit. You don't have any type of financial means or any type of way to even take care of yourself or sometimes your children, and that can be extremely stressful and scary, just like I said earlier too like right now if I can't even go to Burger King and buy a burger like that's not a good feeling at all and it can just add to everything else that's going on.
Barb: Of that and [00:16:00] start to realize, wait a minute, it's not me and financially get yourself in a place if you can, where you can have a choice.
Jennifer: yeah. I always explain to my clients, too, we have so much power, especially as women, we have so much power, we just don't always remember that. But there are everything in life is a choice. We either choose to stay in that relationship that isn't making us happy or we choose to leave.
And when it comes to domestic violence and if there is violence present, that's not what I'm referring to right now as I'm talking about this, if there is physical violence happening. You need to take other steps to make sure that you're safe. But if there is no violence, then what I'm saying now is towards that.
One, you understand that you're not happy, right? And then okay, so I'm not happy in this relationship, what am I going to do? Do I need to leave it? Do we need to go to counseling? Do we, whatever, and then, you get to decide that. And that's, I think, that's where the power comes in, is that you get to decide where your life goes from here.
Do I want to be single [00:17:00] now, or do I want to work this out? Whatever it is, if it's going to make you feel good about yourself and the relationship, then I say go for it. But also, Once you recognize it, then you can start doing something about it, right? Because if we don't realize that there's a problem, how can you change it?
So that's the first step, is realizing that there's a problem. I'm not happy. Whatever it is that's coming up for you and naming it. I always, I believe in even saying it out loud I am unhappy in this relationship because they don't respect me. Or, whatever, I'm broke all the time.
Whatever it is, and just naming it. And then you can take your next step, right? Whatever that might be. For me, I was in a lot of credit card debt as well. I love credit card debt, er, I'm not, I love credit cards because I think that they can be really great if you know how to use them properly as you all know, but if you don't, you can get yourself into a lot of trouble just like I did.
If you have bad credit, I would recommend like a credit building agency or somewhere that can help you rebuild your credit, right? Especially if you your goal is to buy a house one day or something like that. You need to have good, decent credit. Escape [00:18:00] planning is a huge thing for domestic violence survivors.
You can call a domestic violence hotline and they can help you create an escape plan. And then they'll tell you things like, making sure that you have an extra bag of clothes for you and the kids. Just in case you gotta get up and go one day. Make sure you have important documents like your license or ID or a passport or, medical documentation and things like that.
That way, if you ever need to go, you have all that stuff in line. If possible, starting to save any type of money that you can and putting it in like a separate or secret account. Even if it's 5 a week, 5 a month, whatever it is that you can possibly save, that is going to take you a long way than walking away and then having zero, dollars at all.
And so escape planning is a really important thing and then And then job training programs, right? Maybe you've been out of work for a while or you chose to be a stay at home mom and, maybe it's been several years and you've lost some skills or whatever, finding like organizations like us, we can help you with your resume, we can help you with interviewing skills, or there's tons of other organizations that can help you [00:19:00] just build those skills, right?
Whatever that might be, whatever it is that you're, the field that you're trying to get into. Financial education workshops and even domestic violence shelters and hotlines can help you. With those things like, helping you financially plan What you might need or just even getting you shelter or clothing, housing, whatever it is, or even food some people struggle with just getting food and groceries, too.
So So yes, I hope that answers the question
Maggie: Yeah. Those are a lot of great resources. And when you were talking, I remembered that this one lady was like, if you were on an allowance or you don't get a lot of income because of that financial abuse, sometimes they'd be like throw on a 20, like gift card every time you go grocery shopping, if they're not checking their receipts.
So it's you can stack, stack up some
Jennifer: that's a great idea.
Maggie: or, things like that to, we all, no matter what, we're all at Target, we're all at, Walmart, we're all getting groceries or trying to, and so some of those things is a easy, not an easy way, but another way to store some cash away to get that, to start protecting yourself.
Jennifer: I love that. I never heard of that [00:20:00] before but that's a really great idea. Yeah,
Maggie: Yeah, as long as they're not checking receipts, that's your job or your duty of the house, right? In your experience with and rise, what are some of the key resources and support systems that help women regain their independence after trauma, especially with financial independence?
I know you talked to them about You know building the credit and stashing some money. What are some resources and rise has to offer there?
Jennifer: Yeah, so we actually offer bi monthly financial education workshops. It's very basic though, so like it's budgeting, it's saving, it's credit building, that type of stuff. And we also have two people that we work with. One of them, like she has her own coaching program. She's a financial coach, so if people wanted to work with her, they have that option.
And then we also have like, Capital One Cafe. So I think everybody gets up to three like private coaching sessions with a Capital One advisor. And it could just be whatever, right? I'm just getting out of this relationship and I'm starting over.
What would you suggest? Or I have, 50, 000 in [00:21:00] my account. What do I do now? So it's just really trying to get a better understanding. And I was really excited when they started that program because. I think a lot of the people we work with need that one to one because their situations are so specific,
so that's what we help with when it comes to financial education.
Barb: With March being Women's History Month, how do you think empowering women financially can play a crucial role in promoting gender equality and women's rights?
Jennifer: Yeah, I think the last time I checked it was like women have 80 percent of buying power. I don't
Maggie: say the number is even higher
Jennifer: I think that, that's like an old figure. I didn't get to check to see what the new one is, but again, it goes back to what I said earlier. We have so much power that we don't even realize.
So if we all stop buying for a week, what would happen to the economy? Not telling anyone to do that, but I'm just saying we have so much power buying power. And a lot of the reason things are the way they are is because of sorry, that, that doesn't make sense. Let me start over.
So also too, when the economy is doing [00:22:00] well, A lot of that is due to to women. Women being also the main people doing the buying, right? They're usually the ones that are making the decisions on what they're buying, how much money is being spent. They're also the ones buying things for their children, too, so then they're also doing for that.
So there's a lot of a lot of things that go with being financially independent, but also, too, domestic violence and even sexual violence and things like that, they actually end up costing the economy more and people don't really correlate those two things, right? When women have to constantly call the cops, it's taking away the cop resources.
It's taking away like even the secretaries and like the police stations and lawyers. And then they're, we're paying lawyer fees if it's you're paying for a pro, not paying, but like it's a pro bono lawyer. Right or what is it called the public defender, right?
So the people are paying for that so people don't realize that when it comes to these things It does affect the economy. So when women are actually doing good, you know Being in healthy relationships, they're happy, their kids are happy, the economy is better. But people just [00:23:00] don't correlate that stuff, so that is really how it can make a big difference when we start taking these things seriously and start holding people accountable and start making the laws harsher.
And then we have happier people, happier women, happier kids, and then you start to break those cycles, so I wanted to say that because I think it's really important. I don't think a lot of people realize that how much of the power women do have and like when we are in good places, like mentally, emotionally, physically, everybody else does well too.
Even our guys. Yeah, what
Maggie: all boats rise together, and it yeah, there is that huge correlation. I mean there are a ton of resources that we all use, You know would be i'm thinking just like We're just gonna actually scratch that whole thought moving on
Barb: Okay, scratch that. Is that why you named your organization @RISE?
Jennifer: So the ampersand, the and, means your story isn't over yet. There's more to tell and the rise means rising above any adversity. So yes, it's more than a pretty logo. There's meaning behind it and when we first started, I was like, oh yes, I love that because that's exactly [00:24:00] what we stand for. Like it doesn't matter what you've been through.
You can be the best version of yourself. You just gotta, you gotta put work into it, but it's possible.
Barb: And I love how you reiterate that no matter where you are in life, and you sure have been at points where you think, I don't have any power, that women are so powerful. And we tell them that all the time. Women like you say, They invest in their families, in their communities, they make I think it's 95 percent of the purchasing decisions in the household.
So they make a huge impact on the economy. And, women are, we always say they build webs, webs of influence. They don't build hierarchies. And what's important about that is When women need something, who do they go to? Other women who are willing to reach out and help, and that's when we put our arms together, we are building webs for one another, and from a financial standpoint, we say that women vote with their money, so wherever they're Placing their money for purchases [00:25:00] is what they're voting for, so if we want to have healthy food, we're going to buy healthy food and not buy unhealthy food.
We're really going to steer the direction and vote with our money, and we need to realize how powerful that is.
Jennifer: Absolutely. I love that. You said that and 95 percent that's amazing.
Maggie: It just And it comes back. You guys, you started with building that community around you building that web empowering more women. And you can just see that in action. So it's so empowering to me and I'm so glad, you had this kind of fall into your lap and made it, this amazing and beautiful thing to help support other women is that's, just so important.
Yeah. And before our conversation wraps up today the question we ask everyone is, what does financial freedom look like to you?
Jennifer: Yeah. I love that question too. And I was thinking, I'm like, Oh my gosh, there's so many things that come to my mind. But for me personally, it is financial freedom is not having to like second guess. Okay, I can't take that vacation because I'm short 500 bucks or, like it's just being able to buy and pay your bills [00:26:00] without feeling bad about it, without being feeling guilty about it.
Also, it's being able to buy whatever I want. If I want to go on vacation, I could just go. If I want to buy a nice purse, I could buy a nice shoes. Yeah. So that's what it is to me because I've been on both sides. I know what it's like to be poor and not have anything and barely scraping by and then I'm on the other side now where I do very well for myself and, I've been very smart with my money and I invest and do all different things like that.
So I, that's what I consider. It's just not feeling guilty about spending your money and feeling good like knowing that you have more.
Maggie: I love that. That's amazing. And you're just such an inspiration for anyone else listening out there who might be in one of these abusive relationships, to have your story drop in there. You've been through all these different things and again, and you still rise and you're running this business.
And so We appreciate you just coming on and being vulnerable and sharing your story with our community as we know it's going to impact a lot of people. And we're just going to keep this conversation going because we have to keep talking about it and bringing recognition here and helping [00:27:00] women keep rising together.
Jennifer: Yeah. Thank you. Thank you ladies so much for having me. This was really fun.
Maggie: Of course. Yeah. We'll have and rise all the information about them, the website, social medias, all that stuff in the show notes. So people can look into that more. And thank you, Jennifer, again, for coming on today and sharing your story and your expertise.
Jennifer: Of course. Thank you so much for having me.
Maggie: All right. We'll talk to everyone soon.
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